mayugastank wrote:Yes but you forgot to mention the first street style graffiti started in ELA. As an artist I can admire the styles of NYCs underground. We have exchanged back and forth quite a bit of culture -thus the rivalry and jealousy on EAST COAST versus WEST COAST.......which actually means "chicanos from ELA versus Blacks from NYC."
I agree up to a certain extent , yes East LA had some of the earliest urban art in the US but at the same time in the late 60s and early 70s black power murals were being projected on walls across every ghetto in the US from Chicago, Oakland, St,Louis,to DC etc.
This is why when saying hip hop started what was first known as graffiti is a bit incorrect in being absolute, ghetto black power murals of the late 1960s and early 1970s ,along with Chicagos own unique Gang Nation Style hit up/strike ups ,its hard to draw a conclusion. Hip Hop graffiti has definitely influenced the urban style of strike ups in the hood , but it definitely was not the progenitor of graffiti its self, all that goes back.
http://www.jrank.org/cultures/pages/4223/Murals.html
mayugastank wrote:accomplishments of east coasts blacks ...bringing hip-hop, graff, and a style of dress! Which by the way both blacks and mexicans borrowed from the brothers in NYC.....you sir dont acknowledge that and I ask you: 'to not fake the funk'.
Not entirely true ,as it was said before in this thread, black styles have been imitated throughout the world in this last centur. The old zoot style was derived from black playas, macks ,hustlas and even a lot of jazz musicians of the early days(1920s-1930S). If you were to observe old time flicks of old time Italian gangstas dressed compared to how jazz and blues musicians dressed( because then, as it is now black celebrities dressed like the playas and hustlas of the street), you would see that the zoot style came from the african american culture.The earliest black hustlas of the Mid West and South were either pimps,gamblers, or con artist ,and they had to dress with a certain type of finesse , they would have a suit for business and suits for them to splurge .The modern day lottery was based on CHicago ''Policy Gambling '' made by black gangstas, the first pimps were in the Bourbon district of the New Orleans.The east coast old time gangstas were always different from the south and mid west.East coast old time gangstas were always under the control of Italian Bosses, the ''40 Thieves'' a gang Madame St Clair belonged to was started by Irish and Italians. I could add on to the fact that first Skin heads derived from a urban sub-culture of immigrant Caribbeans in England that was called Ska, in the beginning skin heads were influenced a great deal from Jamaican yardies. So to sum it up, black culture whether it be US or Caribbean has always influenced other ethnics groups worldwide for a long time.
mayugastank wrote:....because EVERYTHING westcoast about blacks is chicano! and what isnt originated with your people on the East Coast and south! But the style of your art/the words of your music/the clothing ......come on perongregory keep it real ....there isnt hardly any black west coast culture! What they mean by East Coast versus West Coast is black influence from Nyc and other hotspots versus ----
I've been to the west coast a lot and spent a lot of my summers in the Cali , in places like Chino in the IE and the Jefferson district of LA. And from what I've seen and what I've been told by reputables and friends who lived out there a long time, a lot of influence has come from Chicanos, such as the Khakis ,Plaid Shirts,suspenders( in the 80s) the sag, and lowriders, no doubt. But black G's in LA always had their own style also,from what I understand the crip and blood look of the 70s is much different from the one in the 80s . In the 80s crips and bloods adopted a lot chicano culture but they still were able to have their own and innovate their own style to the streets, the french braids, ponytails, sherly temple hair,cortez,beanies,brownies, the khaki suits not (khaki paints),ben davies,collar poppin ,and whole lot more . I don't know who started riding elbows(rims or daytons) out there first whether it be mexican or black, but between us brothas in Texas,Detroit and Cali , the first brothas to that lived in these states,now east coast residers are trying to do the same thing but they were never into that years ago, they just bought a bmw and benzes in the 80s to the early 2000s. But LA brothers style is definitely different from a brother living in the east coast,midwest, and south, brothers from all these regions would tell you that. In the south were known for making the lean,pancakes and syrup,cruises the shut blocks down,jazz ,blues ,r&b etc emerged from here and the first seasoned pimps were from the south. THe main problem is media and hip hop, outsiders living outside the black community would think all the flashy thangs in the ghetto started with hip hop and NYC, no any brotha living in the ghetto knew all the tight stuff has always been there , hip hop was just the first to show the tight stuff from the ghetto on TV.Just as Jazz spread in the 1920s but was always around in the ghettos of the South since it was born in New Orleans, but black southern towns were familiar with the musical style since the 1900s, but in the 1920s it spread throughout the country .And people think Jazz was started in Harlem or Chicago, THEY'RE WRONG.
mayugastank wrote:Most of the eses' in ELA have never met a NYC hip hop graffiti artist but they took their styles of writing.
Exactly , a lot of tattoo have different styles from everywhere, and no doubt the Chicanos hit ups and bombing styles are big time through out the world,but they are not the most requested designs by customers at tattoo parlors through out the world . A lot of art is hip hop influenced cultured influenced,Polynesian influenced ,and Japanese influenced, one cannot say that modern day tattoo styles solely come from Chicano artistry, the Chicano tattoo artist have borrowed a great deal of designs from other cultures.
mayugastank wrote:
Just look at the East Coast swarming with crips and bloods-the deep south like Missippi and South Carolina and North Carolina-their biggest gang problems developed in the 1990s AFTER some LA blacks moved their and started up crip sets like the rolling 90s who controlled Charlotte! It took an LA gang to show a deep historic black city like Charlotte how to get down?How is that? The history of blacks in that city and ATL and Montgomery( another city besieged by an LA gang problem) -FAR FAR FAR surpasses the under a 100 year history of 1% of the United States black populace -figure that? Only 1 out of a 100 blacks live in LA. YET DESPITE THIS -all nationwide gang problems of any merit have to do with transplanted LA gangs. HOW SO? EXPLOSIVE- did during the peak years of the BGD and VL , Los Angelenos black gangs begin to wear beads? bomber jackets? did BGD have a presence here? Unfathomable! Over 50% of the black populace lives in the South-and so much history their but it took LA to change the atmosphere completely?
Chicago gangs have a lot of ways of representing themselves and just don't wear beads, bomber jackets, and member jackets, thats kind of old as school matter of fact and seldom represent like that anymore. Any way Chi Town gangs have a variety of style and trust me Folks and Peoples gangs from Chi-town have way more membership than Crips and Bloods in the south especially GDs or Folks, they are a lot in the ATL and the reason they don't show out is cause they have no arch enemies that are big enough to be a threat, and they are more organized and smart enough to stay low key.On top of that CHicago gangs like the Folks have been in the South and MId West longer than Bs and C's,since the were there since 60s and 70s in cities like St.Louis. Not to mention they have more legit membership , a lot of Crips and Bloods in the south are copycats and not legit. Bloods and Crips are hardly existing in Mississipii its mainly GDs ,BDs, VLs, and Stones.South Carolina has a lot of Folks gangs also, crips and bloods have been there since the 80s and 90s but there totally different from the crips and bloods now in the 2000s. 90% are fake and a lot are east coast blood and crip knock offs who came there.North East Coast cities like NYC, Jersey Cities ,and Baltimore were not banging heavy till the late 90s and 2000s, and are ever more not legit B's and C's.
Cold Bear wrote:One was a big student and advocate for Salsa music (arguably started in the South Bronx even though some say it started in Puerto Rico) and his son was a big student and historian of Hip Hop (definitely started in the South Bronx)
Negative, salsa started in Cuba. But this is not the first time puerto ricans have taken credit for creating a new genre of music, as the case with Reggaetone which was undoubtedly originated in Panama as opposed to Puerto Rican.
Silencioso wrote:The cultural center for black people in America has changed through the years. Chicago was important in the formation of electric blues and RnB, NY had doo wop, Detroit had Motown, Philly was a big center for funk.
Funk has its origin in a lot of places, but was thought to have originated with the "Funk Brothers" who were from Detroit,James Brown, and Bootsy Collins ,this style of music comes from a lot Afro-American musicians actually it really developed in Ohio especially in Dayton.It had many other sub genres like sophisticated funk,p-funk and disco . But ''Funk'' was not from Philly , They weren't even too big on Funk.Doo Wop was developed all over IN mainly Chicago ,DC ,NYC, and Chi Town.
Silencioso wrote:he whole concept of "crews" - party crews, tagging crews etc. - came from NY hip hop. That's one of the biggest changes in L.A. gang history.
Not exactly the crews of LA ,and the crews of NY were different. First of all the part crews of LA are much thicker, and the crews of NY are hip hop crews of NYC were just 25 members tops.Part Crews in LA do a whole lot more than just party, theys set them up have cars ,buyout bars, dance battle and do a whole lot more.
